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		<title>By: Justisse</title>
		<link>http://www.za3tar.net/2008/12/19/does-randomness-exist-can-we-predict-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-51621</link>
		<dc:creator>Justisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, you people are not getting it, If you could predict the big bang, you could predict the traverse of noise, and if you can predict the traveling patterns of noise, then you can predict the atmospheric noise. And if you can predict Atmospheric noise, then you can predict the number, is that still truly random?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, you people are not getting it, If you could predict the big bang, you could predict the traverse of noise, and if you can predict the traveling patterns of noise, then you can predict the atmospheric noise. And if you can predict Atmospheric noise, then you can predict the number, is that still truly random?</p>
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		<title>By: ncs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ncs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are random number generators that are truly random, such as the ones based in atmospheric noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are random number generators that are truly random, such as the ones based in atmospheric noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting. I&#039;ve been thinking about it a lot. I just had the same thought just recently that everything can be predicted, that random is never truly random at all, it is in one way or another influenced by something. I think even if we gathered every computer in the world, it wouldn&#039;t be enough to calculate everything.  The future can be predicted, but there is no physically possible way to do it. There would also have to be sensors on everything. The computers and sensors would have to been then taken into account too, as they also change the outcome of the universe. So there would be sensors/computers on sensors/computers on sensors/computers on sensors/computers, which would go on infinitely. It&#039;s just overall. Impossible, only in theory is it possible. There would have to be a separate universe that is many times the size of this universe to house all the computers to compute everything. It would have to multiplied by 2 to the power of some massively long number and it would have to get data without coming into contact with anything. 

Anyway. That enough from this rambling teen. This is very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting. I&#8217;ve been thinking about it a lot. I just had the same thought just recently that everything can be predicted, that random is never truly random at all, it is in one way or another influenced by something. I think even if we gathered every computer in the world, it wouldn&#8217;t be enough to calculate everything.  The future can be predicted, but there is no physically possible way to do it. There would also have to be sensors on everything. The computers and sensors would have to been then taken into account too, as they also change the outcome of the universe. So there would be sensors/computers on sensors/computers on sensors/computers on sensors/computers, which would go on infinitely. It&#8217;s just overall. Impossible, only in theory is it possible. There would have to be a separate universe that is many times the size of this universe to house all the computers to compute everything. It would have to multiplied by 2 to the power of some massively long number and it would have to get data without coming into contact with anything. </p>
<p>Anyway. That enough from this rambling teen. This is very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: za3tar</title>
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		<dc:creator>za3tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nizar:&lt;/b&gt; The list you made is only a subset of what affects you. You also have other stuff such as your current chemical makeup (due to what you ate), your surroundings, your physical condition, your current exposer to the various particles and the sun ...etc.

What i am trying to say is that if we take everything into consideration .. everything from below the atom and up, then everything in life (including human thoughts) are just the result of all those little things combined. After all, we humans are just the combination of all of these things, and our thoughts are really electrical pulses between different cells in the brain.

Regarding religious beliefs, on the opposite, i think this goes exactly 100% with the concept of fate/destiny and qada2 and qadar. Because this explains how we still have our free choice in life (because we have our brains to make thoughts), but it also says that the decisions we make and the thoughts we have are all predictable and so our future is written and known before hand which is destiny.

By the way, thanks for this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nizar:</b> The list you made is only a subset of what affects you. You also have other stuff such as your current chemical makeup (due to what you ate), your surroundings, your physical condition, your current exposer to the various particles and the sun &#8230;etc.</p>
<p>What i am trying to say is that if we take everything into consideration .. everything from below the atom and up, then everything in life (including human thoughts) are just the result of all those little things combined. After all, we humans are just the combination of all of these things, and our thoughts are really electrical pulses between different cells in the brain.</p>
<p>Regarding religious beliefs, on the opposite, i think this goes exactly 100% with the concept of fate/destiny and qada2 and qadar. Because this explains how we still have our free choice in life (because we have our brains to make thoughts), but it also says that the decisions we make and the thoughts we have are all predictable and so our future is written and known before hand which is destiny.</p>
<p>By the way, thanks for this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Nizar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Za3tar, so my decisions in life are made depending on what I have experienced, taught by parents and the affect of the environment and the media.

If it is so, then we are not given an option of what decisions to make in our life, all the options we take are just the result of the impact of our surroundings on us.

Doesn&#039;t that go against religious believes in away or another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Za3tar, so my decisions in life are made depending on what I have experienced, taught by parents and the affect of the environment and the media.</p>
<p>If it is so, then we are not given an option of what decisions to make in our life, all the options we take are just the result of the impact of our surroundings on us.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that go against religious believes in away or another?</p>
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		<title>By: za3tar</title>
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		<dc:creator>za3tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;KJ:&lt;/b&gt; But this is exactly what i am talking about. After all, our thoughts are just electrical currents being passed around in the brain. Our mood can be explained by the chemical makeup of those individual cells (of course there are many other things involved).

Essentially what i am trying to say here, when it comes to humans and living creatures, their behavior and thoughts are just a result of physical phenomena (at least in my conjecture). So if we hypothetically were able to model every single atom and sub-atomic particle in the universe, maybe we can simulate exactly how people behave (among other things of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>KJ:</b> But this is exactly what i am talking about. After all, our thoughts are just electrical currents being passed around in the brain. Our mood can be explained by the chemical makeup of those individual cells (of course there are many other things involved).</p>
<p>Essentially what i am trying to say here, when it comes to humans and living creatures, their behavior and thoughts are just a result of physical phenomena (at least in my conjecture). So if we hypothetically were able to model every single atom and sub-atomic particle in the universe, maybe we can simulate exactly how people behave (among other things of course).</p>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking strictly with regards to humans, it is difficult (impossible) to predict the your future. No two people have underwent through the exact same past in order to be able to simulate their thought processes. Therefore you cannot build a model where you can predict someone&#039;s future.

The nature of thoughts is that they are random, and the brain generates thoughts, and a person is free to choose what thoughts to give a positive consideration, negative or ignore completely. It&#039;s impossible to replicate, or even speculate, on how thinking happens.

Neural networks try to simulate in a simplified manner how the mind works, and how it can learn and predict based on previous input. But the brain is more complex than that.

But then again, it probably is perceived as random because no one understands how the mind works. In the end it could really all be predictable - God knows!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking strictly with regards to humans, it is difficult (impossible) to predict the your future. No two people have underwent through the exact same past in order to be able to simulate their thought processes. Therefore you cannot build a model where you can predict someone&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>The nature of thoughts is that they are random, and the brain generates thoughts, and a person is free to choose what thoughts to give a positive consideration, negative or ignore completely. It&#8217;s impossible to replicate, or even speculate, on how thinking happens.</p>
<p>Neural networks try to simulate in a simplified manner how the mind works, and how it can learn and predict based on previous input. But the brain is more complex than that.</p>
<p>But then again, it probably is perceived as random because no one understands how the mind works. In the end it could really all be predictable &#8211; God knows!</p>
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		<title>By: za3tar</title>
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		<dc:creator>za3tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nizar:&lt;/b&gt; Actually computer software can never generate a &lt;i&gt;truly&lt;/i&gt; random number. That is why they are called Pseudorandom Number Generators. Hardware based random number generators are not used in most personal computers and also rely on real-life physical phenomena. So in that sense, if you start from the same exact physical state, you will get the same output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nizar:</b> Actually computer software can never generate a <i>truly</i> random number. That is why they are called Pseudorandom Number Generators. Hardware based random number generators are not used in most personal computers and also rely on real-life physical phenomena. So in that sense, if you start from the same exact physical state, you will get the same output.</p>
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		<title>By: Nizar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, what about a computerized pick of two numbers? :D

A software that picks by random A or B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, what about a computerized pick of two numbers? <img src='http://www.za3tar.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A software that picks by random A or B.</p>
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		<title>By: za3tar</title>
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		<dc:creator>za3tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nizar:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for your comment. You actually touch exactly on the point i was trying to make. I think that by taking into account all the right parameters, it is possible to predict the outcome of a coin flip. For example, if we take into consideration and distribution of the metal in the coin, the wind strength and direction, the strength by which the coin was flipped, the height of the flipper, the location where it was flipped ..etc. If we take all these factors into consideration then i think it is possible to predict the outcome of a coin toss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nizar:</b> Thanks for your comment. You actually touch exactly on the point i was trying to make. I think that by taking into account all the right parameters, it is possible to predict the outcome of a coin flip. For example, if we take into consideration and distribution of the metal in the coin, the wind strength and direction, the strength by which the coin was flipped, the height of the flipper, the location where it was flipped ..etc. If we take all these factors into consideration then i think it is possible to predict the outcome of a coin toss.</p>
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		<title>By: Nizar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are things that can be predicted and there are things that can&#039;t.

The weather in the next 5 days can be predicted through observations and analysis, the same goes to the economy in the next 6 months.

But there are things that can not be predicted like a coin toss.

If I decide to make an option in my life depending on the result of coin toss (which many do, take football games, who starts first), the results of my option can not be predicted, because simply they are a matter of chance, no external factor is involved, no cultural, tradition or background experience, mood, peer pressure, media effect, economical effect, nothing, raw chance, it can&#039;t be predicted.

About the big bang, there are different theories, the general understanding is that at the time of the big bang, everything in this planet was compacted into an infinitely small area under infinitely high pressure and temperature.

this infinitely small point was surrounded with nothing, not even space, this point was not consisting of matter (or mass), it was raw energy.

It is hard to understand how raw energy exists, but think of it like this, when the sun release light and heat (energy) it loses mass (from the burning process), at the point the big bang started, the reverse was happening raw energy was converted into mass.

The second the big bang started the time started as well.

There is such a project scientists are working on, its called the eye of god, and it does exactly what you said as far as i remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are things that can be predicted and there are things that can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The weather in the next 5 days can be predicted through observations and analysis, the same goes to the economy in the next 6 months.</p>
<p>But there are things that can not be predicted like a coin toss.</p>
<p>If I decide to make an option in my life depending on the result of coin toss (which many do, take football games, who starts first), the results of my option can not be predicted, because simply they are a matter of chance, no external factor is involved, no cultural, tradition or background experience, mood, peer pressure, media effect, economical effect, nothing, raw chance, it can&#8217;t be predicted.</p>
<p>About the big bang, there are different theories, the general understanding is that at the time of the big bang, everything in this planet was compacted into an infinitely small area under infinitely high pressure and temperature.</p>
<p>this infinitely small point was surrounded with nothing, not even space, this point was not consisting of matter (or mass), it was raw energy.</p>
<p>It is hard to understand how raw energy exists, but think of it like this, when the sun release light and heat (energy) it loses mass (from the burning process), at the point the big bang started, the reverse was happening raw energy was converted into mass.</p>
<p>The second the big bang started the time started as well.</p>
<p>There is such a project scientists are working on, its called the eye of god, and it does exactly what you said as far as i remember.</p>
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